Mora and Moran
If you liked that last post (face it, you did), you might enjoy this just in from ABC News via Kos:
Not that it much matters if some Navy lawyer warned anybody--if they broke the law, they broke the law even if no lawyer ever told them so. But they've all stuck to a "Rumsfeld-smug" storyline with regards to torture: we're confident in our practices; we're treating everybody humanely; stories of mistreatment are exaggerated; "hey, it works--look at Qahtani"; a few bad apples; you hate freedom; I'm mad at shadowy groups like Amnesty International; etc.
It'll be nice to hear how a rehash of all these old excuses stands up alongside directly contradictory advice from one of their own lawyers.
Read the ABC piece (it's short), then go get more at the Kos link and beyond. And don't forget about this incident with the JAG lawyers. Or about Judge Jay Bybee who sits on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Las Vegas when he should really sitting in prison, waiting for his trial for war crimes.
Notes from a series of meetings at the Pentagon in early 2003 -- obtained by ABC News -- show that Alberto Mora, General Counsel of the Navy, warned his superiors that they might be breaking the law.I seem to recall hearing about Mora before, but it was like "torture without the photos"--if you don't have a memo, or notes, or minutes, or a photo, or a full manual recount, or whatever... shit never happened. You're a wacky conspiracy nut. It's nice to see Terry Moran got minutes. That's at least something.
During a January 2003 meeting involving top Pentagon lawyer William Haynes and other officials, the memo shows that Mora warned that "use of coercive techniques ... has military, legal, and political implication ... has international implication ... and exposes us to liability and criminal prosecution."
Mora's deep concerns about interrogations at Guantanamo have been known, but not his warning that top officials could go to prison.
Not that it much matters if some Navy lawyer warned anybody--if they broke the law, they broke the law even if no lawyer ever told them so. But they've all stuck to a "Rumsfeld-smug" storyline with regards to torture: we're confident in our practices; we're treating everybody humanely; stories of mistreatment are exaggerated; "hey, it works--look at Qahtani"; a few bad apples; you hate freedom; I'm mad at shadowy groups like Amnesty International; etc.
It'll be nice to hear how a rehash of all these old excuses stands up alongside directly contradictory advice from one of their own lawyers.
Read the ABC piece (it's short), then go get more at the Kos link and beyond. And don't forget about this incident with the JAG lawyers. Or about Judge Jay Bybee who sits on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in Las Vegas when he should really sitting in prison, waiting for his trial for war crimes.
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Rummy: It works, look at Qhatami
Yes, what about him ? Did he give you Bin Laden ? Did he give you anything in addition to what German, British and French intelligence dug out for US ? Where are the Al Qaeda leaders, the training camps, the methods ?
Admit it Rummie, just like in Iraq, torture got you zippo, zilch, nada... Nothing except undying shame to America
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Speaking as a scientist, etc.